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Dave<\/a> and I met while getting our master\u2019s degrees in organizational leadership. Later on down the road, we both pursued our doctorates together. Our marriage is stronger, in part, because we speak a similar language when it comes to leadership.<\/p>\n Our similarities go beyond our common discipline. We are also both pretty geeky (the Apple Keynotes used to be considered a romantic date around here), enjoy learning right along with our children, and we each have the privilege of getting to host our own podcasts.<\/p>\n Dave\u2019s podcast is: Coaching for Leaders<\/a><\/p>\n Over the years, he has been able to interview some of the big names from our respective educations and lifelong learning pursuits:<\/p>\n Dave isn\u2019t the only one in our family who gets to talk with authors we admire. I have been able to talk with many of the well-known writers in the higher education context for the Teaching in Higher Ed podcast, including:<\/p>\n Last week, I had the absolute honor of getting to speak to another author, but someone writing in a different context. My conversation for this episode<\/a> had me talking with the civil rights activist DeRay McKesson<\/a> about his new book<\/a>:<\/p>\n On the Other Side of Freedom: The Case for Hope<\/a>*<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n Usually, when I have interviewed authors in the past, friends and colleagues have shared in the dialog about the person\u2019s work, before I get to speak to the author. This time, I finished reading On the Other Side of Freedom<\/a> at around 9:30 pm the night before I was scheduled to speak with DeRay and wasn\u2019t able to bounce ideas and thoughts with anyone, in advance.<\/p>\n He was gracious in the few minutes we spent talking before the interview started. I had seen on Twitter that it was Aretha Franklin\u2019s funeral, but it did take me a minute to decipher what he was saying about being in a rush to check out of his hotel and get over to Aretha\u2019s coming home.<\/p>\n I try not to write too much on this blog about all the times I get nervous to interview someone for the podcast. If I considered myself to be a magnificent writer, maybe I would perceive that these kinds of stories would be fascinating to people. However, I can\u2019t really continue with this story without mentioning that my entire body was bursting with adrenaline at this point. I kept giving myself all these instructions about what to say and what not to say to DeRay with every passing moment.<\/p>\n When he brought up Franklin\u2019s passing, I instantly flashed to my college days. A friend had been talking about how much she liked her music, only she pronounced her name \u201curethra.\u201d<\/p>\n I seriously think we have been getting decades\u2019 worth of laughs over this moment in time by now. In my brief, introductory conversation with DeRay, I kept telling myself, \u201cDon\u2019t say her name. Don\u2019t say her name. You know you\u2019re going to get it wrong and he\u2019s going to have the worst first impression of you. Don\u2019t say her name.\u201d<\/p>\n This was all happening\u00a0in the context of me knowing that I can get confused over words. I once stood in front of over 100 human resources leaders and asserted\u00a0that “It was a speculum.” What I had intended to say was “spectrum,” but that wasn't what came out of my mouth. After my awkward pause when I tried to determine if I had just said what I thought I had said, my reaction generated more laughter than I may have ever experienced when speaking. I think everyone was relieved that I could have a sense of humor about my mistake. I may also have endeared myself to them with my brief mention of our many visits to see specialists in our quest to try to have children. I do still avoid ever using the words spectrum or Aretha in my talks…<\/p>\n Knowing DeRay was in a hurry, I quickly started the interview<\/a>. Fortunately, there are no significant blunders to share with you. Andrew, our podcast editor, did what he always does – and gracefully wove together the conversation into a glimpse into just a few of the stories from DeRay\u2019s magnificent book<\/a>*. I\u2019m so glad to get to share our conversation with this community and hope you will take a listen<\/a> if you haven\u2019t already. DeRay's assertion that we “can't fight for people [we] don't know,”<\/em> is another reminder of the importance of understanding the context in which our students enter their educational experiences.<\/p>\n Maha Bali<\/a>, Associate Professor of Practice at the Center for Learning and Teaching at the American University in Cairo (AUC), shared on Twitter this week about another source for pursuing greater equity in our teaching.<\/p>\n Maha<\/a> and her collaborators (Catherine Cronin and Mia Zamora) have welcomed their respective students and the world into their course entitled:<\/p>\n Equity Unbound: Making Borders Meaningless<\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n They describe Equity Unbound<\/a> as:<\/p>\n \u201c\u2026an emergent, collaborative curriculum which aims to create equity-focused, open, connected, intercultural learning experiences across classes, countries and contexts.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n The themes they are exploring include:<\/p>\n Even if you don\u2019t have time to participate, I highly suggest browsing the overview of each theme<\/a> and check out the site resources<\/a>.<\/p>\n As DeRay<\/a> asserted in the interview I had with him<\/a>, gaining knowledge about an issue is just the beginning. Whether it is reading On the Other Side of Freedom<\/a>, or diving into some of the topics explored on Equity Unbound<\/a>, I look forward to hearing what you are doing to take those next steps into action.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Dave and I met while getting our master\u2019s degrees in organizational leadership. Later on down the road, we both pursued our doctorates together. Our marriage is stronger, in part, because we speak a similar language when it comes to leadership. Our similarities go beyond our common discipline. 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